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Episode 100: Painting the shark
Published 6th September, 2024
Dan Schreiber, James Harkin, Anna Ptaszynski and Andrew Hunter Murray from 'No Such Thing As a Fish' face questions about farcical facials, rapid rides and steep smiles.
HOST: Tom Scott. QUESTION PRODUCER: David Bodycombe. EDITED BY: Julie Hassett at The Podcast Studios, Dublin. MUSIC: Karl-Ola Kjellholm ('Private Detective'/'Agrumes', courtesy of epidemicsound.com). ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS: Marc Lesan, Marcio Barcelos. FORMAT: Pad 26 Limited/Labyrinth Games Ltd. EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: David Bodycombe and Tom Scott.
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Tom:
Who might have a Neptune's cocktail followed by a sand facial?
The answer to that at the end of the show. My name's Tom Scott, and this is Lateral.
Welcome to a landmark edition of Lateral, as this is our 100th episode!
James:
Woo!
Anna:
Yeah!
James:
Hooray!
Dan:
Yes!
SFX:
(Anna and Tom laugh)
Anna:
Woop-woop!
Tom:
Thank you! Thank you for your enthusiasm!
Dan:
Lateral! Lateral!
Tom:
To mark the occasion, I am delighted to have some very special guests here.
All the team from the hit podcast No Such Thing As A Fish. Welcome to all of you.
James:
Hi Tom!
Anna:
Hello.
Andrew:
Hello!
Dan:
Hey there.
Tom:
Unfortunately, in honour of our guests, our party caterers have taken things to heart.
So please do help yourself to the No Such Thing as a Fish buffet of empty chowder, vacuum Thermidor, and nothing and chips.
SFX:
(Anna and James laugh)
Tom:
While that slowly congeals in the corner, let's enjoy the feast of quick wits that we have today.
Welcome to the show. I know our question writers and editor are terrified because of just how many things you have talked about over the years.
Does someone— And— We've got four guests. I'm terrified. I've never dealt with four guests at the same time. So I'm going to throw it out.
Can someone talk about Fish the podcast? What do y'all do?
James:
Go on, Anna.
Anna:
Oh, come on!
Tom:
(laughs)
Anna:
I don't know, I'm just along for the ride.
We are a podcast dealing in interesting facts, which I realise is also what you do. So every week, the four of us get around our microphones, and we tell each other our four favourite facts we found that week, and then we have researched each other's facts, and we try to out-fact each other.
It's facty. It's facts from start to finish.
Tom:
I've just realised that at some point, I should mention your names.
So thank you, Anna Ptaszynski, James Harkin. Where can people find the podcast?
James:
I think you can find it on the internets.
I know you're an expert on internets, Tom. So you already know, but people at home might not.
Tom:
Both those internets.
James:
Both of them!
If you go to places where they put podcasts, and you search for No Such Thing As A Fish, you will find us.
Tom:
And Dan Schreiber, what sort of facts have you been covering recently?
Dan:
Ooh, well, god. There's so many interesting ones.
We have one that I read in a comedy book by a man called Hung Le, an Australian comedian, who, while on a cruise ship, discovered that the snooker tables don't use round balls, but flat balls. You play snooker with flat balls on a cruise. Not all cruises, but his particular one.
It's that kind of stuff we talk about.
Tom:
And finally, the first time I've had to introduce a fourth guest, Andrew Hunter Murray.
Why are you all looking up facts all the time? What's the background to Fish?
Andrew:
Well, we all met through working on QI, which is a British TV show.
And, so we were used to looking at facts. We were used to, you know, just being great pals in the office. And we thought, let's professionalise these work friendships.
And that was ten years ago. We haven't looked back since.
In many ways, we're more professional than we are friends now. That's how well it's gone.
Anna:
(snickers)
SFX:
(Tom and James laugh)
Tom:
Well, this is the very first time we've had five people on a call for a show like this. I am not sure if our infrastructure is going to cope.
We may have to use the principle of, like, "and the little one said, roll over, roll over." But while we are all under the same remote call duvet, let's snuggle up with question one.
In the UK, how can a smile cost you 20% extra?
I'll give you that one more time.
In the UK, how can a smile cost you 20% extra?
James:
Okay well, British people don't like smiling. I think. If the London Underground has taught me anything.
Anna:
(snickers)
Andrew:
Yeah.
Dan:
Hmm.
Anna:
Hmm.
James:
So, could be it something to do with that, the fact that, you know, we're so reserved in Britain?
Anna:
Or is it to do with the fact that if you smile in a purchasing, bartering situation, then you seem like you're a soft touch. And so people are just gonna sell you something.
You know, you look 'round a house, and then you're too smiley
Andrew:
Yes, that's true.
Anna:
...and cheerful, and the estate agent thinks, "Well, this person's a chump. They're just grinning away."
Andrew:
I do that.
I actually, when I'm queuing, if I'm bartering in a market, which I haven't done for a couple of years now, admittedly, but if you go to a market and, you know, or a secondhand, a car boot sale, whatever... it's important that you make clear that the thing that you say you want to buy, you actually think is... is rubbish.
So you have to really... You have to say, "How much for these awful coasters?" for example.
SFX:
(others laughing)
Andrew:
And I say two quid. You say, "I'm not gonna go a penny over 10p!"
SFX:
(Anna and James chuckle)
Andrew:
And then, so maybe, yeah. Like Anna says, if I was smiling, I'd end up paying the two quid.
James:
That's true. I was in Marrakesh quite recently, and I bought a bracelet, one of the bracelets I'm wearing right now.
And the guy said how much it was. I can't even remember how much it was. Let's say it was five quid.
And I was like, "Oh, I pay 20 quid for that in the UK." And so I just gave him 20 quid.
Tom:
(laughs heartily)
Anna:
Wow.
Dan:
Right.
Andrew:
What? You chump. You chump!
SFX:
(James and Anna laugh)
Andrew:
You've completely destabilised that market.
James:
(laughs) Oh no!
Dan:
Is it to do with private dental work?
I'm thinking that if you have extreme dental problems, and you need a tooth fixed— Now, I need to go to the dentist. My teeth are terrible right now. But there's one specific one that I want fixed. I don't want them to touch the rest of them.
If I go and they say, "Give us a smile"...
SFX:
(Anna and Tom laugh)
Dan:
And my 20% wider smile exposes my hidden bad teeth, I'm now duped by my own face.
Anna:
I like that, yeah. 'Cause you can't say no to a dentist. Once they've suggested it. It's awful.
James:
We're all gonna— We're gonna lock that in, Scott— Tom, as our answer.
Tom:
(laughs) This is actually kind of a mean-spirited and very technical rule here.
When I say 20%, it is exactly 20%.
James:
You know what I was thinking just then is, and I think this is probably wrong now. But you remember there was a comedy show where they had cameras on you, and the amount that you laughed depended on how much you had to pay? Do you remember that?
Dan:
Right.
Tom:
Wow!
James:
So...
Tom:
I've never heard of that one.
James:
Yeah, I don't think it lasted very long.
Tom:
This is live audience comedy show, I guess.
James:
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.
Tom:
Did you get a discount for laughing, or did you get charged more for laughing? 'Cause that feels like a perverse incentive when you want an audience that's engaged.
James:
It does, doesn't it? Because you're basically gonna sit there, tell your jokes, and everyone's deliberately not going to laugh.
Andrew:
I'm just thinking, what's 20%? VAT. VAT is 20%.
So am I being charged VAT for being smiley? Is there a— You know how sort of bread is—
Anna:
Is this in the new manifesto? Is this in the new Rishi Sunak manifesto?
SFX:
(group laughing)
Andrew:
But if it's— if it— D'y'know what I mean?
You know how bread is not VAT'd, but luxury goods like cakes are? I'm just trying to think, what is a good where... the standard version doesn't have a smile, and the luxury one does have a smile?
Tom:
Yeah.
Anna:
Yeah, nice.
James:
That's true.
Tom:
That's exactly right.
James:
Okay, so...
Dan:
Oh, it's right.
Andrew:
Okay, okay.
Dan:
Ah, okay.
James:
Do we need to say— Can we say what the product is?
Tom:
Oh, I feel like at this point, I'm gonna ask you to drill down and find what product might become a luxury good when it's got a smile on it.
Dan:
Oh, is it when you go for old Victorian photos, where you're not allowed to smile, and the print costs?
SFX:
(others laughing)
Andrew:
That's it. That's it.
James:
I think I might know it, maybe.
Anna:
(gasps)
James:
Anna, do you know it?
Anna:
Well, I've got a guess, which I think might be this... No, is it passport photos?
Tom:
Oh, no it's not. They're not eligible.
But I can see why you'd go for that. You're required not to smile in them.
Anna:
Exactly! Because I was like, as soon as you smile in that photo, then it's no longer a necessity. It's just a luxury. You're just getting it for fun, aren't you? So...
James:
(laughs)
Tom:
Oh, they put a little bit of programming in the photo booth that detects a smile and charges you VAT for it.
Anna:
Yeah.
Tom:
I hate that idea.
Andrew:
I love that.
Tom:
It's not quite right. And Andy, you were a lot closer with breads and cakes and things like that.
James:
So, I've listened to this podcast quite a lot.
And I think one of the most embarrassing things is when someone says they think they know it, and they're absolutely nowhere near.
SFX:
(Anna and Tom laugh)
Tom:
Yeah.
James:
But, I'm gonna throw it out there. Is it to do with gingerbread men?
Tom:
It is absolutely to do with gingerbread men. That is the right answer.
Andrew:
So nice.
James:
Yeah.
Tom:
Yes, they do not attract VAT if they have just a couple of dots for eyes.
But as soon as there's any decorative icing, as soon as there's a smile or anything like that, they are a luxury product, and that gets 20% VAT on top of it.
James:
Yeah, because a gingerbread man without a smile in, that's a necessity, isn't it? We all need those day to day.
Andrew:
Yeah. (chuckles snidely)
Anna:
Yeah.
Tom:
Specifically, by the way, it's chocolate decoration.
James:
Ah.
Anna:
Okay.
Tom:
That is the specific thing that trips it over to a chocolate biscuit. That is a luxury good.
Andrew:
Any gingerbread man with chocolate on as well as the gingerbread is to me an insanely decadent choice.
SFX:
(others laughing)
Andrew:
I think there should be 50% tax on that. Who's putting chocolate on gingerbread men?
Anna:
Also, is it a smile by necessity? Or if they look angry, then do you get the 20% deducted again? Or shocked?
SFX:
(James and Andrew laugh)
Tom:
Any chocolate decoration, whatever it is, that tips it over. Each of our guests has brought a question along with them. And this time, I have less work to do, because we have the four guests. We will start today with James. Whenever you're ready.
James:
Okay, my question was sent in by Marc Lesan. Or, Lesan. Marc, anyway. And he asked:
In 2013, a shop in downtown Málaga, Spain, was converted into a tapas bar called 'genarO'. Why was the final letter of its name the only capital?
And I'll read that again.
In 2013, a shop in downtown Málaga, Spain, was converted into a tapas bar called 'genarO'. Why was the final letter of its name the only capital?
Riddle me this.
Dan:
(sighs) Okay.
Andrew:
Now, now... I've been to Málaga. Not so long after this tapas bar opened.
James:
Uh oh.
Andrew:
And it's a very nice town. It's lovely. It's in the south.
James:
It's got a big church.
Andrew:
It's got a big ch— Its church is— This is the only thing I know, or remember, is that the church is called La Manquita, right?
SFX:
(Anna and James snicker)
Andrew:
And it's because... it means "she who lacks" something. Like, manqué, we would say in English, – or rather, in French, but...
And it's because they've finished one of the towers of the cathedral, right?
Tom:
(laughs)
Andrew:
But they didn't finish the other one.
Dan:
He's padding here, guys. He's padding. He's got no idea why it's got a capital at the end.
Andrew:
No, no, no, no, no. No, so it's named like, it's like the "one-armed lady" because it's only got one tower finished, and one tower isn't finished.
Tom:
(laughs)
Andrew:
So, is it that? Is that the answer?
James:
No, it's nothing to do with that.
Dan:
Awwh.
Andrew:
(laughs heartily)
Tom:
I have been to Málaga once with a friend, mostly to tour around the rest of that bit of southern Spain. We barely saw the town.
But because of Málaga's reputation, just as we get to the end of the trip, we're on a viewpoint high above the city, and he just pulls out these two bright orange T-shirts he's had made, with "Lads on tour", just so we can get the "lads on tour" photo at the top of the mountain.
Andrew:
Lovely.
SFX:
(James and Anna snicker)
James:
Okay, these are all great anecdotes guys, but we're not getting closer to the answer.
Tom:
Ooh, okay.
Dan:
I think I actually know the answer. So I'm gonna just play around for a bit. And it's obviously—
James:
Really?
Dan:
I think I do, yeah.
James:
Okay.
Dan:
(laughs) I don't know how it will—
Tom:
It's more likely, with more guests and with your background between you, we're expecting that, so...
Dan:
It won't make sense what I'm thinking, but I want you all to know I've got it.
James:
You're the only person here who's never been to Málaga.
Dan:
I've been to Málaga.
James:
Oh, right.
Dan:
What, or "MalagA!", as I call it. Everything's capital at the end, I believe.
Anna:
I've never been, but I— So usually you get a capital at the start of a word. I think that's right. And therefore, is the end the beginning? As in, is it back— Is everything backwards there? Is it like...
Tom:
I was thinking it was a reversed word, or something like that, yeah.
Andrew:
Yeah, nice.
Anna:
Yeah.
Dan:
This is— Okay, this— I'll lay out my answer now as well.
My mum and dad, when they lived in Hong Kong, the very first street they lived on was called Rednaxela Road.
And no one knew what that meant. It wasn't a Chinese word. It wasn't an English word. It was a nothing word. Rednaxela. What was going on there?
And it turned out that it was meant to be called Alexander Road, but...
Tom:
(laughs) I just wrote that down. I was like, I can't quite figure that out!
Dan:
The person who was painting the sign onto the wall used the Chinese system of writing from right to left.
And so it was 'Alexander'. But when you read it, it is Rednaxela.
So that was gonna be my suggestion as well. A reversed word.
Tom:
What was the word again?
James:
So the word is 'genarO'.
Anna:
Can you spell it for us, please?
James:
It's G-E-N-A-R-capital O.
Tom:
G-E-N— That's nearly 'orange' backwards. But not quite, it's 'oraneg'.
Dan:
Ooh, okay. Was it that this newly opened place was running on limited budget, and the previous place's sign ended with a giant capital O, and they thought, we can save on the money by just, you know, getting the first few letters printed, and we'll just attach it to the old one?
SFX:
(Anna and James laugh)
Tom:
Did you see the place that took over the old Foyles Bookstore on Charing Cross Road in London?
Dan:
Uh-huh.
Tom:
It was just a generic tat shop, just selling tourist stuff. And what they did is they took out a couple of letters, and it just says, 'O YES'.
SFX:
(guests laughing)
Tom:
They just use the O, Y, E, and S from Foyles. And it's just called 'O YES' now.
Anna:
Nice.
James:
Really interesting.
Dan:
There you go.
Andrew:
It's really good.
James:
There's a Thai restaurant in London. There's a few of them called Rosa's Thai.
And they began, I think, on Brick Lane, and they were just in... There was a bistro called Rosa's, and they started their new shop there. And they were like, "Okay, what should we call it?"
They couldn't afford a new sign. And so they just kept the name.
So, you are all very close here, but I'm not going to give it to you, because I want a little bit more.
Dan:
Yeah, okay.
Anna:
Okay.
Andrew:
So it's— Are we onto something with it being backwards?
James:
You're onto something with almost everything you've said, apart from your bit about the church at the start.
Andrew:
I feel like that'll come in somehow.
SFX:
(others laughing)
Tom:
So it's nearly the word 'orange' backwards.
Anna:
Oraneg.
James:
Nearly.
Andrew:
Yeah.
Anna:
Oraneg.
Andrew:
Oraneg.
Anna:
Or a neg.
Andrew:
Is it—
Anna:
Or a neg.
James:
(wheezes)
Anna:
It's about negging. Negging is a thing that the kids do these days.
SFX:
(Tom and James laugh)
Anna:
It's negging you if you can't understand it.
Andrew:
It's the thing they were doing in 2006.
Dan:
Yeah.
Anna:
Alright.
Tom:
Maybe it is like the Foyles thing. That it was a previous sign.
It's not backwards, but it's an anagram. It's the only word they could make out of 'Orange'. Or... (sighs)
There's an American chain called Orange Julius, or something like that.
Dan:
Yes.
Tom:
It's not reversed, it's just that 'Genaro' is a word in Spanish. I don't know if it is.
And that was the word they could make out?
Dan:
He's got it. He's got it.
James:
Yeah, he's got it.
Dan:
I don't even know it.
SFX:
(guests laughing)
James:
No, no, that's right. I mean, if you listen to this podcast, Tom always gets it in the end. That's the end of these shows.
Tom:
(laughs) That's not true!
Anna:
(giggles)
James:
No, that is true. So, it's Orange as in the mobile phone seller.
Tom:
Oh!
James:
So there's a big sort of shop on the corner in this place in Málaga.
And they took over the place where the Orange store was, and they couldn't afford their own sign. And so they just called it genarO.
Dan:
That's so good.
Tom:
Anna, it's over to you for the next question.
Anna:
Why does the Liberty Puzzles company have photos of hundreds of dogs on their wall, none of which they've ever met?
James:
(snickers)
Anna:
There's a lot to work with.
Why does the Liberty Puzzles company have photos of hundreds of dogs on their wall, none of which they've ever met?
Dan:
Does anyone here know the 'Liberties Puzzle' company?
Andrew:
No.
Dan:
Yeah, not heard of them.
James:
No, I don't think so.
Tom:
No.
Dan:
Okay.
James:
I've heard of dogs.
Anna:
That's a good start.
Tom:
(laughs) And I have heard of puzzles.
James:
Yeah.
Andrew:
Is it like... Liberty Puzzles... It sounds like it might be one of those... Is it an American...
James:
Yeah?
Andrew:
...sort of prepper puzzle company? So it's like puzzles for after the end of the world.
James:
I think I have heard of these, actually.
They used to be called French puzzles. But during the war, they changed them to Liberty Puzzles, didn't they?
SFX:
(group chuckling)
Anna:
Yeah, yeah, it's political correctness gone mad(!)
Dan:
Is it— Is it a— Is it a wall of fame in that somehow these dogs solved these puzzles...
SFX:
(others laughing)
Andrew:
Oh, that's good!
Dan:
And it's so extraordinary, they've made it onto the wall?
Anna:
I can tell you it's almost the opposite of that.
Dan:
Okay.
James:
Oh.
Andrew:
So the dogs are stupid. They haven't solved the puzzles.
Tom:
(laughs)
Andrew:
It's puzzles for cats.
SFX:
(James and Anna laugh)
Andrew:
And these are the idiot dogs that couldn't even...
Tom:
I've only just— So, in my head, these were jigsaw puzzles.
And that's purely because I know someone who runs a YouTube channel entirely about jigsaw puzzles. And so, 'puzzle' in my head is connected to that.
But I've just realised that 'puzzle' is actually a lot wider than that. This could be any, this could be like, the sort of puzzle you get in a newspaper. This could be an escape room puzzle.
Dan:
I think Andy was close though, because I think what it is is somehow, they have developed a puzzle which is very attractive to cats. And they always come in, and if you leave them alone, they're messing around with it.
So at HQ, they've put hundreds of dogs on the wall, So that any cat thinking of coming into the room looks up and going, "I'm not going in there, that's insane! It's like a conference of dogs!"
Andrew:
Yep.
Anna:
Okay, well I should let you know that, in fact, just so you stop distinguishing between cats and dogs too much, there are a few pictures of cats also on the wall.
Andrew:
Okay.
James:
Oh.
Tom:
Okay, that completely throws out my theory of, they are puzzles for dogs.
Anna:
Yeah.
Tom:
Because you might give a puzzle to a dog, and it might have a go at solving it if it's very simple. You give a puzzle to a cat, it is just going to walk away indifferent and then claw your furniture.
Andrew:
Yeah.
James:
Yeah. I was wondering if it was the jigsaw puzzle thing, and... all dogs tessellate. So it was just the...
SFX:
(Tom and Anna laugh)
James:
the shape of the wallpaper or something was— It just so happens that all dogs tessellate. But actually, they don't exactly. You have to put a few cats in there to make it perfect.
Andrew:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anna:
Yeah, yeah.
Tom:
It's like the footballs
Andrew:
It's like a football.
Tom:
where you have to have a few pentagons. Yeah, there we go.
Andrew:
Is it—
Tom:
We've all seen the Matt Parker video!
SFX:
(James and Anna laugh)
Anna:
I really thought you were gonna get it there, James, with your first claws, and then you went in the wrong direction.
James:
Oh, good claws joke.
Anna:
Heyyy!
Andrew:
They've not met— They've not met any of the dogs, right? So it's all— These are audience dogs, right? Customers take a photo of their dog after something has happened, and they send it into the company.
James:
Oh, yeah.
Anna:
Andy, that's... You've made some amazing leaps there, in a good direction.
Andrew:
Thank you. Okay, okay.
Dan:
Oh, so is this like where you get your face on a cake? Is this like, get your dog on a puzzle? Send your dog in?
Andrew:
(gasps)
SFX:
(others laughing)
Andrew:
That's good.
Tom:
No, it's like one of those competitive eating restaurants where they've got this wall of fame of people who've actually managed to do it. This is the wall of dogs that can actually complete a jigsaw puzzle.
Andrew:
Oh, right, sorry. Not dogs that have been eaten in the course of this...
SFX:
(Dan and Anna laugh)
Tom:
No! No! Absolutely not! That's not...
Andrew:
Where are they?
SFX:
(group laughing)
Dan:
Okay, but it's, ah... It's obviously people have sent in these pictures because they want their dogs in some way connected to the puzzle.
Anna:
Well, it's actually... They get a reward from the company for... sending in the picture.
James:
Okay.
Andrew:
"Send us a photo of your dog, and we will send you..."
Tom:
Your dog is photogenic enough that we will make a puzzle out of it. But that doesn't make sense. There are many stock photos of dogs available that are gonna be better than someone's at home...
Anna:
Yeah.
Dan:
Yes.
James:
Andy, do you remember you found out that artist – was it you who found her – who shaved her own hair and turned it into dog clothes?
Andrew:
Yep.
James:
And shaved a dog's hair, and turned it into human clothes?
Andrew:
Yes.
James:
So could it be that the dogs are being used to make the puzzle? No, that's not gonna work, is it?
SFX:
(Tom and Anna laugh)
Tom:
We haven't actually established even what type of puzzle this is yet. In my head, it's still jigsaws, but...
Andrew:
I still think it's jigsaws.
Dan:
Yeah, I'm gonna stick with jigsaw. (snickers)
Anna:
Guys, I'm gonna— Before James makes a fool of himself and says that he thinks it's sudoku...
It's jigsaws, well done.
SFX:
(Dan and James laugh)
Tom:
Okay, okay.
Andrew:
Okay, okay, okay.
Anna:
You've got that bit right.
James:
How did you know I was trying to think of the funniest puzzle I could to say?
SFX:
(Tom and Anna laugh)
Tom:
Almost like you've done ten years of shows together and know how each other work!
SFX:
(James and Anna laugh)
Andrew:
So it's not that if you send a photo of your dog, we will make a personal... we'll turn it into a jigsaw of your dog.
Anna:
No, no. This is all sort of giving the dog, or cat, or in fact other household pet credit.
And it's really, rather than a wall of fame, it's kind of like a wall of shame.
Dan:
Oh?
James:
Oh!
Tom:
Oh my god—! You know when I was talking about competitive eating? Was that slightly closer than it might otherwise have...
Anna:
It was closer than you might've thought at the time, yes.
Andrew:
So they've eaten the puzzles. They've eaten a piece.
Dan:
This is, yeah. The dog's eaten their homework.
And so they've sent in proof of dog to show why they haven't completed the puzzle.
Tom:
Because there are lots of jigsaw companies who you can write to and send a self-addressed envelope, and they will send you back the one missing piece of your puzzle.
James:
Can I just say, Dan, I don't think sending a photo of your dog is evidence that that dog has eaten a puzzle. I think you need other evidence for that.
Dan:
It's tough, what comes out on the other side?
Andrew:
They couldn't pin— have a wall with hundreds of bags of dog poo pinned to it.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Anna:
DNA test results done.
Tom:
They're not gonna want the piece back, are they(?)
SFX:
(laughter subsides)
Anna:
I'm afraid, yeah. Their burden of proof required is as high as Dan's. And you're absolutely right.
James:
Oh, 'cause what I was thinking is that maybe people had accidentally been thinking I was this puzzle company, and that's why they're sending me dog poo in the post.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Anna:
Yes, they— You're entirely correct. Well done, everybody. I feel like that was a joint effort. And it is proof enough if you send a picture of the guilty party. And there's actually even a fish in one of the pictures. I'm not sure how the fish...
SFX:
(Dan and James giggle)
Andrew:
Wow.
Anna:
...managed to destroy the puzzle piece, yeah.
Dan:
Wow. That's great.
Anna:
Yes, you are absolutely right.
So the dog photos or cat photos or pet photos generally are sent in as payment for if that pet has chewed or somehow destroyed a piece of the jigsaw. And if you send in that photo, they can send a replacement piece.
Tom:
Thank you to Márcio Barcelos for this next question.
Near Lake Sevan in Armenia, you will find young men by the road, standing in a crucifixion-type pose. What are they doing, and why is it essentially pointless?
I'll say that again.
Near Lake Sevan in Armenia, you will find young men by the road standing in a crucifixion-type pose. What are they doing, and why is it essentially pointless?
James:
Well, my first thought is— My first thought is cricket umpires.
Tom:
(chuckles)
James:
Because they stand with their arms...
Andrew:
Do they?
Dan:
Do they?
James:
...akimbo, when there's a wide ball. And their pointlessness is because cricket is inherently pointless.
Andrew:
That's good.
SFX:
(Tom and Anna laugh)
Andrew:
It's a very strong opening offer.
Tom:
Did you set that whole thing up just to do a slam on the concept of cricket?
SFX:
(group laughing)
Andrew:
I haven't been to Armenia.
James:
No, me either.
Andrew:
Haven't you?
James:
No.
Andrew:
That's a rare country.
SFX:
(others laughing)
Andrew:
In this hemisphere that you haven't been to. Is it in this hemisphere? Yeah, probably?
James:
Yes, it is.
Andrew:
Yeah, great.
Tom:
Sorry. I'm on a call, and suddenly, I'm not the one getting flack for going to a load of places. This is wonderful!
SFX:
(guests chuckle snidely)
James:
Well, 'cause I don't make a big deal of it, Tom. That's the thing.
Andrew:
Oh my god.
SFX:
(group laughing)
James:
No, I haven't been to Armenia. And I really don't know very much about it. I know they're at war with Azerbaijan.
Anna:
(snickers)
Andrew:
Is it that? Is it that? (wheezes) Is it a war with Azerbaijan answer? No, it can't be.
Dan:
Oh, are they— So how many lakes is it, did you say, seven lakes?
Tom:
Oh no, this is just the name, which, it's Armenian. I'm probably mispronouncing it.
It's S-E-V-A-N, Lake Sevan, Sevan.
Dan:
Oh, Lake Sevan. Oh, okay. 'Cause I was thinking if it was seven lakes, but this theory still works.
They are standing in the crucifix position because attached to them are boards with directions. They are human posts to show, "Take a left here to go to the first lake or the second lake."
I realise my seven-lake theory has gone out now, but... north of lake or whatever, they can't afford wood. And so...
James:
(wheezes)
Andrew:
Yeah.
Dan:
...they have hired humans instead to be the signposts.
Andrew:
It's a lake, right? What do you get in lakes? You get fish.
What do fishermen do when they're comparing anecdotes of how big the fish they've caught are?
James:
(wheezes)
Andrew:
They stand in a crucifixion pose.
Dan:
Yes.
Andrew:
So is it...
Dan:
Lovely.
Andrew:
Yeah.
James:
Yeah, that's really good, Andy. I was thinking also perhaps, it could be scarecrows.
Dan:
Scarecrows, yes.
Andrew:
Ooh, yeah!
James:
Obviously, it's a classic scarecrow pose.
Tom:
Andy, you are absolutely right.
Dan:
Ooh!
Andrew:
No!
Anna:
Wow, Andy, you are on fire!
Tom:
It is. The first half of the answer is, to show how big the fish is.
Dan:
Ahh.
Tom:
The second half of the question is, why is it essentially pointless? And actually, I'm just going to ask why they're standing there like that.
Dan:
I know why it's pointless, 'cause every single fish in that lake is the exact same size.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Andrew:
That's good.
James:
Could it be one of those former Soviet lakes where they've basically effectively have no life in there anymore? And this is what the fish used to look like.
So it's just like, you can't see the fish anymore, but imagine this. But I'm a fish.
Andrew:
So, are these guys a kind of cultural memory repository?
James:
Yeah.
Andrew:
Of, there used to be fish here that were this size?
James:
That's what I'm thinking.
Andrew:
It's quite a moving sort of artistic display. I quite like that.
Dan:
Yeah.
Anna:
But that wouldn't be pointless, though. That would actually be... well as you say...
Andrew:
Poignant.
Anna:
very meaningful. Is it because, actually, not only are the men all standing there, but next to them are the actual fish, mounted, so you can see how big they are? You don't need the person there.
Tom:
You've kinda missed a motivation here. Why might they be by the side of the road, showing how big the fish are?
James:
Oh, 'cause someone might wanna buy them.
Tom:
There we go, yes.
Dan:
Ahh.
Tom:
They are selling the fish that they've caught.
Dan:
Right.
James:
Okay. But why is it pointless?
Andrew:
Why's it pointless?
Dan:
Why's it pointless? Because...
James:
Everyone's allergic to fish?
Tom:
(chuckles)
Andrew:
Yeah. 'Cause cars are banned in the area.
James:
(wheezes)
Tom:
This is a personal anecdote from Marcio, who sent the question in. His tour guide explained this to him.
Dan:
Everyone in Armenia is vegan.
SFX:
(Tom and James laugh)
Andrew:
That's it. That's it.
SFX:
(Andrew and James chuckle)
Andrew:
You're not allowed to buy the fish? The fish are all radioactive.
Dan:
(laughs) Yes, that's why they're so massive.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Tom:
The fish are on display, just there. The fish are just...
James:
Oh.
Tom:
You can stop, you can buy the fish.
Andrew:
Well, that's why it's pointless, 'cause you can see how big they are. Why they need to stand there with their arms out? Is that it?
Dan:
Is it an actual, literal religious connection, in that it's like, buy from a Christian fisherman... you know, it's a...
James:
Jesus was the fisher of men.
Dan:
Yeah.
Andrew:
Yeah. There's a guy down the road with five loaves.
James:
(wheezes)
Dan:
Yeah.
Tom:
There's a common stereotype of fishermen here.
Andrew:
Give a man a fi— They're liars!
Anna:
Okay, so it's pointless 'cause no one trusts them.
Tom:
(giggles) Right! Everyone is just outstretching their arms as far as they possibly can.
SFX:
(others laughing)
Anna:
Oh, yeah.
James:
I remember this because I went— I did go to Armenia, and I bought—
SFX:
(laughter intensifies)
Dan:
Oh, unbelievable.
James:
I bought a fish off Mr. Tickle, and I was very disappointed.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Tom:
Yes, this is by Lake Sevan, Sevan. Apologies to Armenia.
Where the fishmongers by the side of the road who have caught their fish – hopefully that day – all advertise by spreading their arms wide to say, "This is how big the fish I have are." And, like a lot of fishermen... (laughs) they are all lying.
James:
Brilliant.
Dan:
Amazing.
Andrew:
There's an Armenian film called Sevan I believe, which is...
James:
(wheezes)
Andrew:
"And what's in the box?" And it's just a small fish.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Tom:
Andy, it is over to you for the next question.
Andrew:
This is another fishy one. Okay, here we go.
The shortfin mako is the fastest shark in the world. In 1961, why did some workers in Detroit paint a taxidermy specimen of a mako that was hanging in their boss's office?
The shortfin mako is the fastest shark in the world. In 1961, why did some workers in Detroit paint a taxidermy specimen of a mako that was hanging in their boss's office?
Tom:
There's a lot of hooks into that question, and I don't know where to start.
James:
Eyyy!
Anna:
Eyy.
Andrew:
Yeah.
Tom:
Oh, that wasn't even a deliberate pun. That wasn't— That was not intentional, sorry.
Andrew:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
James:
So, a mako fish. I know what they're like.
Andrew:
Yeah.
James:
They're quite— They're very streamlined, aren't they? And they have a super long nose, that looks like, almost like a sword kind of thing. Like a... They're really, really pointy. And, yeah, that's... And they can jump out of the water, I think? Maybe?
Andrew:
Mm-kay, yeah.
Dan:
Okay.
Anna:
I think... All I know is they... When we used to go on holiday in Cornwall, when we were kids, there was an incredibly exciting time when a mako... It's a shark, a kind of shark, right?
James:
Yeah.
Andrew:
Yeah.
Tom:
Yeah.
Anna:
Mako shark was spotted. And I think they're one of the only sharks that actually attack humans.
And so everyone was told to stay out of the water. It was like being in Australia for three days. Everyone was told to stay out of the water all over Cornall because a mako shark had arrived from some far flung place.
Andrew:
Ooh.
Anna:
And so... is it related to their deadliness? They painted over it, they painted its mouth shut. Like you paint a window shut in case it came to life and attacked them.
Andrew:
No, this—
Tom:
We've also not established yet whether they are painting it physically or making a painting of it.
James:
Oh yeah.
Dan:
Oh, yes.
Andrew:
Oh, okay— Great shout. I'll tell you, they painted the thing.
Dan:
They painted physically.
Andrew:
So there's a taxidermy shark in their boss's office. They painted the surface.
Anna:
Okay.
Dan:
Okay.
James:
Okay.
Dan:
Okay, so they're clearly making a point to their boss. You know...
Andrew:
Yeah.
Dan:
They're sending a message, kind of like the horse's head in Godfather. They are...
Tom:
(laughs)
Dan:
He's walked into his office, and he's gone, "Whoa!" And because of whatever's painted has sent something, a message.
Andrew:
Well, I'll tell you this much.
Dan:
Yeah?
Andrew:
The boss didn't know that they'd done it.
James:
Oh, did they paint it the exact same colours that it was originally?
Tom:
(laughs)
Andrew:
Oh, no, they did— no. They didn't, but you're...
James:
Alright, okay.
Andrew:
What you— That's good. Think of the motivations of why workers in Detroit might paint...
Dan:
1Oh, so...
Andrew:
...this shark.
James:
Is it to do with anything else in Detroit, like the automobile?
Andrew:
Yep.
Anna:
Automo— Yeah, cars.
Andrew:
Yes.
Tom:
Yeah.
Dan:
Pistons.
Andrew:
It's automotive. It's automotive. Pistons are in a car, that's true, but this is just a more general point.
SFX:
(guys giggling)
Dan:
It's the sports team, the Detroit Pistons.
Andrew:
Oh sorry, okay.
Tom:
I do appreciate... I thought you were just shouting out vaguely car-related words there.
Andrew:
Hubcaps!
Tom:
I was just gonna come in with "Spoiler!"
SFX:
(guests laughing)
James:
Windscreen wipers!
Andrew:
Did you say spoiler because you were gonna give away another piece of the car? Or because that is a piece of a car?
SFX:
(group laughing)
Tom:
Detroit in the '60s was almost at its peak then.
James:
Yeah.
Andrew:
Yeah.
Tom:
That was full Motor City.
Dan:
Right.
Tom:
That was where every American car was made. I know it's not every, but that was where the auto plants were, so...
Andrew:
No. And these were car... This was an automotive place of work.
Dan:
Yeah.
Andrew:
Yeah.
James:
Is it anything to do with how streamlined they are, mako fish?
Tom:
Ooh.
James:
As in, were they... Did they paint it in the colours of a normal car to say, "Look, if a car was like this, look how awesome it would look"?
Dan:
No, 'cause he didn't notice, did he? He didn't notice.
So I've got a theory. Which is, they realised at the peak of when they were doing all of this amazing piston work there, that they were using suddenly paints that were highly deadly, they were very toxic.
And this... is a murder case.
SFX:
(others laughing)
Dan:
They were trying to poison the boss from within his office.
But he would never know that there was poison in there, because it matches the exact decor of his room.
Tom:
I'll be honest, I like James's first idea more. I'm gonna throw my hat in with him there.
SFX:
(guests laughing)
Anna:
Does that mean I have to go with Dan?
Andrew:
Yeah.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Andrew:
So what was your theory, James? It was the—
James:
So, they painted the mako shark to look like a car, and the idea is... "Look, this is how aerodynamic our new car could be, 'cause it could be as aerodynamic as a mako shark."
Andrew:
It's not quite that. I'll give you one more clue... which is that the boss had been inspired by the shape and colour of the shark.
Anna:
Can I just ask a quick question, Andy?
Is the streamlineness of the shark relevant? And is it relevant the boss didn't notice that they changed it?
Andrew:
Yes. Yes, it is relevant. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dan:
Oh, okay. They were proving a point.
They were saying that we have found a paint that is going to be fantastic on the body of the car. He said, "This will never work". And they proved it by painting over a beloved fish.
SFX:
(others chuckling)
Dan:
And he didn't notice, and then they walked in and said, "Ta-da!"
Andrew:
Oh, you're so close.
James:
And then they murdered him.
SFX:
(others laughing)
Tom:
Is there a particular model of car from 1961 that's really famous, that's famous for being streamlined? Was there something new that came in around then?
Andrew:
So, it was to do with an innovation, but... it was to do with a pros— It was something that could have happened, a car that could have happened.
James:
Flying car.
Anna:
Swimming car, surely.
SFX:
(both giggle)
Andrew:
It's shape and colour, remember that. The boss was inspired by the shape and colour of this shark. He loved it. He thought it was amazing.
James:
Was it like... you can have your car in any colour, as long as it's mako shark coloured?
Andrew:
You're so nearly there. That's— That's it.
James:
Go on, Anna.
Anna:
No, I feel like James, you know, I can't just pick up James's fag-ends and... (chuckles)
Was it just a point that the boss is wrong, the colour's not relevant? He didn't even notice when the colour changed. It's just, it's all about the mako shark shape?
Andrew:
No, I'll give you one more clue. The colour is relevant. The boss wanted something to be just so, but the workers were struggling to achieve it.
James:
Ohh, I see. So he wanted a very special colour of a mako shark, and they said, "Well, we've got this gray paint. So why don't we just do it gray?"
And he's like, "No no no, it has to be this perfect colour." And they painted the shark gray, and he didn't notice.
And they murdered him.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Andrew:
You're so... That's exactly right. Just lop off that last part. No, that's it.
So, it was, they painted it so that Corvette cars matched the gray that the boss liked.
Dan:
Mmm.
Andrew:
He was called Bill Mitchell. He was an executive at GM.
And he had brought back this shark from a fishing trip, and he had it stuffed and mounted, and he was like, "Oh, it's that big, it's that big."
And, he said to his team, "make me a version of the Corvette Stingray" – which was an existing car – "that matches this shape and colour". And the paint shop just couldn't do it.
And so they just took the shark off the wall without his knowledge, and repainted it to match the prototype car they'd already made!
Tom:
Oh!
Anna:
Surely that didn't w— He said, "I told you, the shark, these are bright pink!" And they said, "Turn around, mate. Look what colour the shark is."
Tom:
So I was thinking that it was, like, it doesn't match, it doesn't match, it doesn't match. And so, eventually, he'd come in and paint the shark with the new paint, so that they can prove to him he hasn't noticed it. It must be a match. But were they actually just forcing a match?
Andrew:
They were basically saying, well, if we can't make the paint look exactly like the shark, we'll make the shark look exactly like the paint that we have managed to make.
Dan:
It's brilliant.
Andrew:
So they couldn't match the silvery gray effect of the shark skin.
So they literally just, without his knowledge, Bill Mitchell's knowledge, took the shark off the wall and repainted it to match the car.
The car was never made, very sadly. The Corvette Mako Shark just didn't happen.
Dan:
Well, because of that giant sword at the front that was probably stabbing everyone.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Tom:
That's a crumple zone. It's fine.
SFX:
(guests chuckling)
Tom:
Dan, over to you for the next question.
Dan:
Art exhibition Circle of Time featured the 'Relativity Special' – an everyday, inexpensive vehicle that had 11 similar, extra spare parts added to it. What was added, and why could the vehicle possibly let you achieve something extraordinary?
Art exhibition Circle of Time featured the 'Relativity Special' – an everyday, inexpensive vehicle that had 11 similar, extra spare parts added to it. What was added, and why could the vehicle possibly let you achieve something extraordinary?
Anna:
(snickers) Well, the thing about relativity is basically that stuff just gets a bit longer when it goes faster, right? So...
SFX:
(Tom and James laugh)
James:
Shorter.
Anna:
Is it just some extra— Oh damn it, it's shorter!
Tom:
(laughs)
Anna:
Oh, it still works. The extra bits are for when it's slowing down.
Dan:
(chuckles)
Anna:
So...
Andrew:
Yeah.
Anna:
You just add extra bits on or take them away to demonstrate how relativity works. You sit in the car, you feel it getting longer – or shorter. Magic.
Dan:
Yeah, this is a lovely answer. But not right. But it's lovely. I'll take it.
Tom:
(chuckles)
Anna:
Well, thank you. Thanks.
Andrew:
So...
James:
Gosh, is it something to do with other parts of relativity? So, like Anna says, things get— change size. They change in mass as well.
Dan:
Mhm.
James:
And also, time changes.
Dan:
Mhm.
James:
Time is the one that I'm thinking, we should go down the time route.
Andrew:
I'm just thinking, everyday, inexpensive vehicle.
Dan:
Yeah.
Andrew:
So is that like a smart car, or is it like a bike? Or a scooter? And what—
Anna:
Or one of those Cozy Coupe kids cars.
Andrew:
What would you get eleven of, on a car? I can only think of cupholders.
Dan:
Pistons.
James:
(wheezes)
SFX:
(group laughing)
Andrew:
Pistons, yeah. But if it's cupholders—
Tom:
I was thinking bicycle. Because it's like you doing something extraordinary.
Dan:
Correct, it is a bicycle.
James:
Yeah.
Tom:
Okay.
Dan:
Yeah.
Anna:
Ahh.
Andrew:
But why would you need 11 cupholders on a bicycle, Dan? It doesn't make sense.
SFX:
(others guests chuckling)
Andrew:
Is it?
Dan:
Well, as it grows longer, when you go faster...
SFX:
(others laughing)
Dan:
more people are joining on and parched!
Tom:
Oh, 11-person tandem.
Dan:
Yeah!
James:
Yeah.
Andrew:
Yeah.
Tom:
I was trying to make like, 'hex-dem', more words there, and then I realised I don't know the prefix for 11.
Andrew:
Undeca– something. That's the Italian.
Tom:
Dodeca–?
James:
Dodeca–'s 12, yeah.
Tom:
No, that's 12.
Andrew:
That's 12.
Anna:
Yeah.
Tom:
Undeca–, there we go. Undeca-dem. Eleven-person bike.
SFX:
(Dan and James snicker)
Andrew:
What?
Anna:
Nice.
Dan:
So, no.
James:
Okay, so we're on bicycles.
Dan:
We're on bicycles.
James:
Okay. So, something to do with relativity and bicycles.
Andrew:
Something extraordinary? Well, it's the thing that ET does. He goes to the moon.
SFX:
(Tom and James laugh)
Andrew:
He goes past the moon. The moon's in the background.
Dan:
Well, here's another clue.
To use this vehicle, you would need to put in significant effort.
So, pedaling to the moon would require significant effort if you didn't have ET's doing magic, you know. You've just got your 11 extra parts.
James:
Is it really, really difficult gears? Like, you know... where you can hardly even turn the wheel, but you still go super fast?
Andrew:
That's good.
Tom:
Now hold on, that's a really good idea. 'Cause this is from playing with Lego Technic as a kid and making enormous gearing things. So it's like, "Oh, this will go so fast!" And then being unable to turn the thing in the first place?
James:
Yeah.
Tom:
Like, in theory, if you pedaled this bike in the 50th gear, it would go faster than the speed of light. But you can't put enough effort in?
James:
Oh, that must be it.
Andrew:
That's good!
James:
That must be it.
Dan:
So, you're bang-on.
James:
Yeah!
Andrew:
Awww!
Anna:
Nice.
Tom:
That was James. That was entirely James.
Dan:
You got it. In theory, you could travel at the speed of light by using these 11 gears.
So, 11 additional gears were added to a standard bicycle between the pedals and the rear wheel.
It looks amazing. It looks like the inside of a clock when you see a photo of it.
The cumulative gear ratio is so great that one turn of the pedals would in theory be enough to travel around the world six times.
Andrew:
(laughs snarkily)
Dan:
If you could pedal at a steady 90 revolutions per minute, the bike would travel faster than the speed of light.
Tom:
Wow.
Anna:
That's really cool.
James:
I reckon, Anna, having seen you cycle over the years, I think you're a high gear kind of gal, aren't you? You try and go the highest gear and fastest possible.
Anna:
I'm a fan of a high gear until I reach an incline of more than 2%, and then I'm down into first gear.
SFX:
(guys chuckling)
Anna:
Yeah, I'd like a go on that. I reckon I can make it around the world a few times.
Dan:
Yeah, so this was at an exhibition that was on display at the California State University in Sacramento.
Tom:
One last question then. At the top of the show, I asked:
Who might have a Neptune's cocktail, followed by a sand facial?
Before I give the audience the answer, does anyone want to take a quick shot at that?
Dan:
It sounds very Andy to me.
James:
Yeah, it does. You like Dune.
Andrew:
I like— Oh, Dune! Yeah, it's like if you go to a spa on Arrakis, then that's what they'll offer.
SFX:
(others laughing)
Tom:
I like your pronunciation of Arrakis there.
Andrew:
Yeah. (laughs)
Anna:
Is it a salty cocktail? Is a cocktail made of seawater? Because it's Neptune?
Tom:
This would be a very salty cocktail, yes.
Anna:
Oh?
Tom:
That sounds awful.
James:
(wheezes)
Anna:
Yeah.
Andrew:
An underwater...
James:
I currently... I have a cup, which is The Little Mermaid that I'm drinking from at the moment. It feels like it's something they would have in The Little Mermaid, doesn't it?
Anna:
Is this a pleasant sounding euphemism for a very unpleasant experience, by any chance?
Tom:
(laughs) Yes, yes it is.
Anna:
Okay.
James:
Ohh, I see. Oh, is it like, I know, if you're... What's that sport called, where you're on the back of a boat, and it's going really fast, and you're holding on to something?
Is that a euphemism for the water going up your face and up your other bits? Do you know what I mean? It's like, what's it called? Water skiing?
Tom:
Oh, it's very close.
Anna:
Yeah, coming off a surfboard or something.
Tom:
Yeah, Anna. You're right. It's a surfer.
So what might Neptune's cocktail be?
Anna:
It sounds like you just got drunk off this beach water, yeah.
Tom:
It's a spray you get while riding the waves. And a sand facial?
James:
Just where your face plants into the beach?
Tom:
Yeah, well, it's when you're dragged along the ocean floor. It is when you get pushed down underwater, dragged across.
So, Neptune's cocktail, followed by a sand facial, is a very bad day at the beach for a surfer.
Thank you very much to all of our players today.
This is going to be absolute chaos, but James Harkin, where are you all from?
James:
We're all from No Such Thing as a Fish. Go to the place where you get your podcasts, and you can listen to our podcast, No Such Thing as a Fish.
Tom:
Anna Ptaszynski, what sort of things are there?
Anna:
In the world, in existence?
SFX:
(Tom and James laugh)
Tom:
If people go to listen to the podcast, what will they find?
Anna:
Ah, I see!
Well, in the free version, which is released every week, you will find a cacophony of interesting, weird, mad facts. The weirdest facts we found that week that we all discuss and make bad and sometimes less-bad jokes about.
And then you can become a subscriber, at which point, you'll get lots of extremely private, thrilling new content.
Tom:
Andrew Hunter Murray, what sort of things you've been talking about lately?
On the podcast, just to be clear, on the podcast, before someone pedants me.
Andrew:
(snickers) Oh, all sorts. I never remember anything. Doing a show for ten years has destroyed my short-term memory. I can tell you what we did in our first show, which was the size of the Solar System and President Garfield's bottom...
Anna:
(snickers)
Andrew:
And Richard III. What did we do last week? I 'unno.
Anna:
Actually, we're about to do your favourite subject, Andy. Well, a sort of spin on your favourite topic.
Famously, Andy's obsessed with moss.
Andrew:
Yeah. We got a moss fact this week. And I'm really stoked.
Tom:
And Dan Schreiber, where can people find you?
Dan:
Well, you can head to our website, nosuchthingasafish.com. There's a lot of cool stuff up there.
The biggest thing is you're going to find links to our live tour, which is happening later this year. We're going all over the UK. We're going to Ireland. And then in November, we're flying down to Australia and New Zealand.
It's called Thundernerds. And, yeah, it's our 10-year anniversary tour. So, we're incredibly excited.
Tom:
And if you want to know more about this show, you can do that at lateralcast.com. We are at @lateralcast basically everywhere, and you can get regular video highlights at youtube.com/lateralcast.
With that, it is thank you to all the team from No Such Thing as a Fish.
James:
Woo!
Anna:
Thank you!
James:
Lateral! Lateral!
Tom:
I've been Tom Scott, and that's been Lateral.
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