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Episode 175: Food tattoos
13th February, 2026 • Lizzy Skrzypiec, Sophie Ward and Katie Steckles face questions about meal mix-ups, private performances and familiar faces.
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Tom:
Which mountain is situated such that all four of its faces point to the southeast?
The answer to that at the end of the show. My name's Tom Scott, and this is Lateral.
Today's show is the 180th one we've recorded.
Not gonna lie, I didn't know numbers went up that high. Up until now, I thought they topped out around a dozen-ish, and anything bigger was just showing off. But apparently, once you hit 180, things start getting complicated. You need spreadsheets, folders, subfolders, a special drawer labelled "episodes we definitely meant to fix but didn't", and a second Microsoft Word document to start storing more questions in.
That last part's actually true.
Our guests for episode 100-and-oh-dear-this-is-a-lot, is first, from Murder, She Didn't Write, which is on tour again soon: Lizzy Skrzypiec, welcome back to the show.
Lizzy:
Hello! Hi, Tom. How are you doing?
Tom:
I— No one ever asks. I'm doing good! Thank you very much!
How did the tour go? 'Cause you, as we record this, you just got back, as I understand.
Lizzy:
Yes, the tour was very fun. I saw lots of bits of the country that I hadn't seen before. And we're going back to... most of them!
SFX:
(group laughing)
Lizzy:
And some new ones.
Tom:
But not that one. Looking at you... Shrewsbury. I picked Shrewsbury. I dunno why I picked Shrewsbury.
Lizzy:
Yeah, probably not Chipping Norton again, but we're doing the rest.
Tom:
(laughs)
Lizzy:
So yes, it went very well, and it was very fun. And I may be a bit... maybe a bit short of vitamins now. So I'm sort of nourishing my way through.
Tom:
Now, are you always the detective, or does that swap around between the cast?
Lizzy:
It does swap around, 'cause it's nice to kill as well, you know.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Lizzy:
It's good to have— take a turn.
Tom:
Well, good luck both on the show and with the improvised murder mysteries.
Our second player today: the author of Why Don't Rabbits Rule the World?, a popular maths book that may or may not be out in bookstores now, depending on exactly when this episode goes out, Katie Steckles.
Katie:
Hello.
Tom:
Welcome back to the show. You know what? We're going full plug today. Tell us about the book.
Katie:
Yeah, it's now my, I think, eighth book that I've done about kind of maths stuff. And it's basically a tour of a lot of the ways that maths is in the real world. So the bit about rabbits is to do with population modelling and the fact that everyone talks about how rabbits reproduce a lot, but why aren't we just overrun by rabbits? And it turns out, there's nice maths behind it. And just kind of other stuff about the real world and like how maths is used in everyday life stuff. So it's a bit of fun.
I've written it with Ben Sparks. He's another maths person.
Tom:
Oh yeah.
Katie:
Does Numberphile videos and various things, and yeah. It's a bit of fun.
Tom:
How are you feeling about being back on Lateral?
Katie:
I'm very excited. 'Cause I absolutely love being on Lateral, and it is so much fun, and I hope it is fun again.
Tom:
So do I. It's gonna suck if it isn't. Best of luck with the show being fun today. Our last guest... doesn't have anything to promote. Please welcome back to the show, Sophie Ward.
Sophie:
Hi, hi, Tom. I don't care how you are. So I'm not gonna ask you.
Tom:
(cackles) You know what?
Sophie:
I'm joking. I'm joking. I would've asked, but Lizzy got there first.
Tom:
No, no, I'm actually kinda happy with that. That's nice. That's fine. You don't need to ask. Yeah, we've talked about various projects you've been on, but in this case you just like, welcome back to Lateral. Nice to have you.
Sophie:
Yeah, it's great. Yeah, I feel like the thing I should plug is other episodes of Lateral.
Tom:
(laughs softly)
Sophie:
That's mainly what I'm on these days. Although, yeah, I was saying, you know, I haven't written a book myself, but there are books that I like to share about. So I'll tell you what? I'll plug my favourite book that I read recently.
Tom:
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Sophie:
Am I allowed to do that yet? Even though it's not mine?
Tom:
Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sophie:
Everyone might've heard of it. It's called Still Life by Sarah Winman. It's a really beautiful novel, and it gave me a sense of joie de vivre, and I recommend it to everyone. So that's what I would like to plug. She's a better author than I, so may as well.
Tom:
I once went on a podcast a few years ago, which was just entirely: plug the things you like. What are you listening to? What do you enjoy? And it was just a wonderful experience, 'cause you've just got to gush about other people's work.
However, for the next 40 minutes or so... that is not what's gonna be going on!
SFX:
(guests chuckling)
Tom:
We have made it this far without losing count, so we might as well continue. Let's begin again with question one.
Thank you to Ghostbear for this question.
In the Netherlands, when are barium, lithium, and zinc used after Mercury has finished?
I'll say that again.
In the Netherlands, when are barium, lithium, and zinc used after Mercury has finished?
Katie:
Right.
Lizzy:
Ha. Little bit chemistry.
Sophie:
Little bit chemistry.
Lizzy:
Little bit chemistry.
Sophie:
A little bit of chemistry today.
Lizzy:
(laughs haughtily)
Katie:
Yeah.
Sophie:
Okay, my first thought is that the Mercury is like a curveball. It's not the element mercury. It's the planet Mercury. And it's been put with the elements to try and throw us off. But actually, those chemicals are used when something to do with Mercury, the planet, happens.
Katie:
I was thinking that, but I was thinking Freddie Mercury. Because I'm classless.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Katie:
But yeah, some kind of decoy thing. I don't think barium is anything other than the chemical element. Like it's used in radiography, I think, to check where stuff is inside a person by getting them to eat some and then scanning for the radiation. Lithium—
Sophie:
Yeah, it's thick and white, isn't it, barium?
Katie:
Yeah. It shows up really strongly.
Sophie:
Yeah.
Lizzy:
Am I the only one that thought it was thermometers? Are we not— Is this not a thermometers question?
Sophie:
It could be, yeah.
Katie:
Yeah, mercury is thermometers as well, yeah. But they don't use it anymore.
Lizzy:
Oh, 'cause we've got iPhones.
Katie:
Well...
SFX:
(group laughing)
Katie:
That is the current modern equivalent, isn't it? Yeah.
Sophie:
Exactly.
Katie:
But yeah, they stopped using mercury in thermometers, because it's quite toxic if you break a thermometer, right?
Lizzy:
You shouldn't be breaking—
SFX:
(Tom and Lizzy laugh)
Lizzy:
There's lots of things that you shouldn't break open.
Katie:
You shouldn't break anything, let's be clear. Everything is nice and should stay how it is, but if you were to break a thermometer, the mercury is quite poisonous, right? So...
Tom:
You are right that Mercury was a decoy. And Katie, you are correct that it was Freddie Mercury.
Sophie:
No way!
Lizzy:
Give over.
Tom:
Mhm.
Sophie:
Oh.
Tom:
So in the Netherlands, when are barium, lithium, and zinc used after Freddie Mercury has finished?
Lizzy:
Oh my god.
Tom:
I'm not sure that helps, but you've added a word to the question.
Lizzy:
I've got some terrible news for you, Tom, but he's dead.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Sophie:
Whaaa?
Lizzy:
Yeah, I'm sorry. I dunno when this goes out, but he's been dead a while.
Katie:
Are they like songs or musicians that might be played after... after a Queen song?
Lizzy:
Barium, lithium, and what was the other one? Was it zinc?
Katie:
Zinc, yeah.
Tom:
Zinc, yes.
Katie:
They're all, like the chemical symbols are Ba, Li, and Zn.
Sophie:
Zn, I've just written that down, yeah.
Katie:
I was gonna show off with my chemical symbols knowledge, but they're all just boring ones where it's just like the first letters, so everyone knows that.
Lizzy:
Oh, I know the first 20 elements of the periodic table.
Sophie:
Do you?
Katie:
Nice.
Lizzy:
HHeLiBeBCNOFNeNaMgAlSiPSClArK[Ca].
Katie:
There you go, that's all of them.
Tom:
(cackles warmly)
Sophie:
Very good.
Lizzy:
Yeah.
Katie:
Correct.
Lizzy:
That got me a GCSE. I think that's—
Tom:
I was gonna say, I can't mock that. I learned a mnemonic for the first 30-something digits of pi when I was a kid. Everyone gets stuff in their head.
Lizzy:
Yes, Tom.
Sophie:
Can you remember yours, Tom? The 30 digits of pi?
Tom:
I'm not reciting a whole poem, but you can Google it. It's one of the poems.
Katie:
I mainly know the first bunch of digits of pi 'cause it was our Wi-Fi password in our first uni house.
Tom:
(laughs)
Katie:
We just had a massive string of pi.
Sophie:
Oh my gosh.
Katie:
But anyway, on the topic of this question, which I feel like we've gotten away from somewhat...
Tom:
Well you actually got a thing in there, Katie. Just very quietly, you said when a Queen song finishes. You are right with that as well.
Katie:
Right. Okay.
Lizzy:
Is it poisonous vinyl? Is it at the end of some vinyl? There's some—
Katie:
So it's like... "Bohemian Rhapsody" is the big, long one that everyone knows all the words to.
Tom:
It's the right song, yep.
Katie:
So that's the right song?
Tom:
That's the right song.
Katie:
Okay.
Lizzy:
Oh my god. It's not Beelzebub. Hang on a minute.
Sophie:
Oh, Beelzebub, yeah.
Lizzy:
No, that's not—
Sophie:
BaLiZn.
Tom:
Oh, it's a good connection though! I can see why you went there.
Sophie:
Yeah.
Lizzy:
(cackles)
Tom:
Barium, lithium, zinc. It feels like the letters are nearly there.
Sophie:
(guffaws) Does that count? It's if it's nearly like Beelzebub, yeah, it counts, yeah.
SFX:
(Tom and Katie laugh)
Katie:
I'm trying desperately to remember how the end goes. But yeah, I'm kind of playing it, yeah.
Lizzy:
It goes like that. (imitates guitar riff)
Katie:
Yeah.
Tom:
Mhm.
Lizzy:
♪ Any way the — ♪ (snickers)
Tom:
This is an annual tradition in the Netherlands.
Lizzy:
Oh, is it fireworks?! Oh gosh. Are they in fireworks? They're not transiti—
Sophie:
Oh my gosh.
Lizzy:
Oh my god, is it fireworks?
Sophie:
I bet, yeah.
Tom:
Keep— I want you to keep talking for a bit. Why do you think that?
Lizzy:
Well, I don't— They're not transition metals, but— or some of them are, but what if they were? And that— they're often in fireworks, and they turn pretty colours.
Katie:
There are, yeah.
Lizzy:
So...
Tom:
Yes, they do.
Sophie:
So that there's— So there's a— So in the Netherlands, there's a firework thing every year where they end on "Bohemian Rhapsody".
Lizzy:
Oh yeah.
Sophie:
Or they play "Bohemian Rhapsody". And then at the end of "Bohemian Rhapsody", all the fireworks go?
Lizzy:
Oh, you've gotta be like "Ish-mil-nah, no!" (imitates blast)
Tom:
Yeah.
Lizzy:
I can see that going through the song.
Tom:
The— You're right. The display is after "Bohemian Rhapsody" finishes. There's one little element, and if you've ever been to the Netherlands... at the right time, you will not be able to avoid this.
Katie:
Is it New Year's Eve?
Tom:
Yes, it is. The Dutch set off so many fireworks
Lizzy:
(gasps)
Tom:
at midnight on New Year, and there is a tradition that the year will end with "Bohemian Rhapsody". It will end at midnight. And when those last notes go, everyone, well, not everyone, but it feels like everyone sets off fireworks around the Netherlands.
Katie:
Nice.
Lizzy:
Way!
Sophie:
Wow, that's brilliant.
Katie:
Nice.
Sophie:
Wait, so do loads of people play "Bohemian Rhapsody" across the Netherlands? That's the, like, you start it a certain time, and then—
Tom:
It may be on the radio, I'm not sure, but the tradition is that it ends with "Bohemian Rhapsody".
Lizzy:
What a countdown! That song's like five minutes.
Tom:
Right?
Lizzy:
That's such an odd time.
Tom:
Soph, we'll take your question. Whenever you're ready, please.
Sophie:
This question has been sent in by Chris Bainbridge.
In 1881, Emily Fazakerley wanted to listen to an opera being performed in Denbigh, half a mile from her Welsh mansion. However, she insisted on enjoying it at home with invited dignitaries. What was her solution?
I'll say it again.
In 1881, Emily Fazakerley wanted to listen to an opera being performed in Denbigh, half a mile from her Welsh mansion. However, she insisted on enjoying it at home with invited dignitaries. What was her solution?
Lizzy:
I think I got this, surely.
Tom:
Oh, oh?
Lizzy:
Den— Is this Denbigh?
Sophie:
Denbigh in North Wales.
Lizzy:
Yeah, that's full of valleys. That is full of valleys. What if it's the— It's not. Is it like where you put your iPhone in a glass, to make it sound louder? Like if you put an opera in a valley... (wheezes)
SFX:
(group laughing)
Lizzy:
Then you just hear it at your house.
Tom:
Just in case that's right, I'm gonna come in with a stupid suggestion first.
Sophie:
Go on.
Tom:
1881 is, I think, too early for phonograph recordings to be a thing. It would've been sheet music.
For a moment, there's a story of... I cannot remember how apocryphal this is, of Stalin writing to the Soviet broadcaster, requesting a recording of the thing that he'd listened to. And it had not been recorded. So they brought back all the musicians and an audience, to perform it again for Stalin's recording.
Not sure how true that is, but 1881? Surely too early for that.
Sophie:
That is not what happened.
Tom:
Okay.
Lizzy:
Okay.
Katie:
Yeah.
Sophie:
If you— If that's just to answer your thing, yeah.
Katie:
I'm gonna rule another thing out, 'cause I feel like it's also too early for like a transmission via radio somehow. Like that feels like it was later than that, but...
Tom:
Yeah.
Katie:
I mean, who knows, right? A lot of these things are just completely, completely not when you thought they were. Like, you know, people were faxing each other way before, I dunno... But not the 1880s. So I don't think it was by fax or radio.
Tom:
(blurts short laugh) So that brings us to Lizzy and the valleys.
Lizzy:
I'll be well impressed if that's right.
Sophie:
So, Lizzy, can you just describe what you're picturing here? That the opera was happening in a valley?
Lizzy:
Picture this. I've been to Jodrell Bank for a good day out as a kid.
Tom:
(laughs)
Lizzy:
And you can hear things
Sophie:
Oh yeah.
Lizzy:
because of the dish shapes.
Tom:
Oh yeah, the listening dishes.
Lizzy:
Yeah, so if you— and I— and that's what the mountains are doing in my mind. Or the valley.
Tom:
To be clear, you're not doing that on the actual Lovell Telescope and the radio telescope. They've just got two sound dishes in the kids' play area?
Katie:
Yeah, yeah. It's, yeah. It's like one side of the kids' play area. And it's a paraboloid, right? It's a...
Tom:
Yeah.
Katie:
quadratic curve spun 'round into a circle. And it sort of focuses things.
Tom:
Yeah, so you can whisper into a dish and be heard 50 metres away.
Sophie:
Oh, no, I was just picturing Lizzy just singing into the Jodrell telescopes, just bouncing back.
Katie:
Just beaming it out into space.
Tom:
Did anyone here not go to Jodrell Bank as a kid, on a school trip or a visit or something?
Sophie:
Yeah, are we three Northerners? As a group? Where are you from?
Katie:
I live upsettingly near Jodrell Bank, and I think I didn't go as a kid, but I have been multiple times as an adult to work.
Tom:
Yeah.
Katie:
Like they've literally just hired me to come and do talks.
Tom:
They do still have the dishes outside in the kids' play area.
Lizzy:
Oh nice. I'm from Essex, but you know, we had trips.
Sophie:
I think you just put on a good comedic Northern accent. "I've been to Jodrell Bank."
SFX:
(Tom and Lizzy laugh)
Lizzy:
Well, my parents are Northern, so...
Sophie:
Okay, there we go. There we go. Okay, listen, we, you— We are acting very relaxed as if you've got it, but actually Lizzy, you're not right at all. So, it's not about valleys. Even though— or mountains.
Tom:
And she didn't set up a giant listening ear telescope to pick up the sound from the opera house.
Sophie:
She did not set up a giant... no, not a giant listening ear telescope. No, that was not set up.
Katie:
Is it just a big, what's it called? It's like a periscope, where you have a mirror at the bottom, and it's like looking at the thing happening in the concert theatre half a mile away.
Lizzy:
I don't think that works with sound, does it?
Katie:
No.
Lizzy:
I think you just see it.
Katie:
Yeah.
Sophie:
No, and it— And half a mile away. There was a half a mile distance.
Tom:
I'm gonna rule the obvious thing out, which is that she just had a lot of money and a mansion, and she invited all the performers and the audience up, and paid them, and just had it performed at her house.
I mean, I'm gonna take the QI klaxons on that one and just rule it out.
Sophie:
Yes, you are correct to rule it out.
Tom:
Okay.
Sophie:
The opera was going on at the space where the opera was always going on. And Emily was in her mansion, half a mile away.
Katie:
Is the space where the opera was going on some kind of outdoor amphitheatre or an indoor venue?
Sophie:
As far as I know, it's not an outdoor amphitheatre. It's not about the venue itself.
Tom:
Oh, because I was gonna say, very long pipe.
Lizzy:
Well, I was just gonna say, can we rule out the telephone on a string?
Tom:
(laughs)
Lizzy:
You know, the can, and then a string, and then a can?
Sophie:
Yeah, I think you should go further with that idea, Lizzy.
Lizzy:
Holy moly. Picture this! Denby, the home of crockery, right? Isn't that where you get a Denby dish from?
Tom:
I don't know.
Katie:
That's a different Denby. That's spelled with a -Y, right? Denbigh in Wales is -IGH, right?
Lizzy:
Picture this. A place similar to a place that makes crockery.
Tom:
(laughs uproariously)
SFX:
(guests snickering)
Lizzy:
A giant saucepan... and then a big long string.
Sophie:
A saucepan.
Lizzy:
And a big— I dunno. I just assumed a saucepan.
Sophie:
Yeah.
Lizzy:
And then a saucepan, but fancier in the house. I mean, it's only half a mile. That's— You can find a bit of string, surely.
Tom:
Yeah, but can on a string doesn't work on that distance. 'Cause you've gotta keep the string really taut. The minute it's starting to sag under its own weight, or blowing in the wind, the whole thing falls apart.
Katie:
I'm really enjoying how you're debunking that scientifically, as though there's any even remote chance.
SFX:
(guests laughing)
Tom:
This is Lateral! Someone set up the 1881 equivalent of a zip wire and used it to listen— I'm not ruling that out, you know?
SFX:
(Lizzy and Sophie snicker)
Tom:
But no, a half mile string like that, you'd have it sagging under its own weight. It'd be a catenary, not a straight line.
Sophie:
Mm, yeah. Saggy string wouldn't work. Okay, there was a lot of talk near the beginning about what was and wasn't invented at the time.
Tom:
Mhm.
Sophie:
There was a reason why, what Lizzy said, I was like, "Ooh." There's something in that, so... What do we think?
Lizzy:
Oh my god, wasn't a telephone call, was it? It wasn't literally an iPhone in a glass, in that she was like, "Ring, ring. It's for you." ♪ ("La Marseillaise") ♪
Sophie:
(giggles)
Lizzy:
(laughs) I don't know—
Tom:
The telephone wasn't common in 1881.
Sophie:
Okay, it wasn't common, Tom, no.
Lizzy:
Yeah, but she's loaded.
Tom:
Is that the first telephone call in Wales?
Sophie:
Well, there's a key thing that you're just like, you need to kind of like reach—
So, okay. The telephone was around. But it had only been patented by Alexander Graham Bell five years before, right? So there obviously, there aren't just— You can't just have telephones around willy-nilly.
So there's something key that this person, that Emily Fazakerley did.
Katie:
Did she run a cable from her house to the opera? Just to run this one—
Tom:
She ran lots of cable. She installed a phone just to call the opera house?
Sophie:
Exactly right.
Katie:
Wow.
Sophie:
Emily Fazakerley installed a phone line from the opera house to her house. And then remember, she invited her dignitaries. So at the end, she had lots of different ear tubes that all of her friends separately were listening to the opera live happening at the opera house.
Katie:
Wow. I'm imagining that, and in my head, it's like a silent disco.
Lizzy:
I was just thinking that!
SFX:
(group laughing)
Lizzy:
It's Jodrell Bank silent disco! Everyone listening to their little tubes.
Sophie:
Yeah, yeah. And then they switched to the other one, and then everyone else was outta sync. One of them listening to Beethoven, and the other ones were on their Tchaikovsky or whatever.
So yeah, basically, this was 1881, right? It was ages before public broadcasts were a thing.
And I loved this question, by the way. It felt like it was made for me, because Emily Fazakerley was born in Anglesey, which is where I've always been on holidays. But then she moved to Chorley, which is where I'm actually from. Anyway, what an icon.
Tom:
(laughs)
Sophie:
But because she didn't wanna have to travel— That's one for the Chorley listeners out there. But because she didn't wanna travel, yeah, she used her money to commission her own dedicated telephone line directly from the hall to her mansion. And it was the first phone to be installed in North Wales, just five years after Alexander Graham Bell had patented the telephone.
And it was interesting 'cause there was a big legal dispute going on at the time between the Post Office and the Bell Telephone Company about whether— 'cause the Post Office had monopoly on telegraphs. But then Alexander come along and come up with his phone thing. So there was a big argument about if they were different or not.
And Emily was just like, "I'm gonna ignore that and just get my own one installed." So yeah, Emily Fazakerley. What a legend.
Tom:
Thank you to Katie Waning for this question.
A tattooist was asked for eight food items to be inked on their client's body. Two of the items were the same. What were they, and why?
I'll say that again.
A tattooist was asked for eight food items to be inked on their client's body. Two of the items were the same. What were they, and why?
Lizzy:
Is it rude, Tom? Is it phallic?
Sophie:
(chuckles)
Tom:
No!
Lizzy:
If it's two oranges and a banana, we can't continue.
Tom:
No, it's not!
Lizzy:
(laughs) Okay, I just have to check.
Tom:
I will rule that out immediately. What sort of sleazy podcast do you think we operate here, Lizzy?!
Lizzy:
I'm just sayin'.
Tom:
(chuckles)
Lizzy:
That'll be... quite the tattoo.
Sophie:
It wouldn't surprise me. Won't surprise me. Yeah, have we got any tattoo— Has anyone tattooed on this call? And are any of them food? Just to get some inspo.
Lizzy:
(laughs over words)
Tom:
That's a very specific ask. But as it happened— No, no.
Sophie:
Yeah, yeah, as it happens, I've got two oranges and a banana on a place I don't show you.
Tom:
(laughs heartily)
Sophie:
My first thought is: of what are there eight on your body? Eight fingers, if you exclude the thumbs. So maybe it's like something on their finger— like finger tats.
Katie:
Like a love and hate thing, but it's like fruit. I dunno.
Sophie:
But it's fruit.
Katie:
Yeah.
Sophie:
Yeah, like finger food, right? There's a joke there, I guess.
Katie:
Yeah. I'm wondering if it's like a reference, like lyrics of something, or some kind of... like a Very Hungry Caterpillar tattoo, which of course is baller. Or like, you know, something that is an existing thing. Or a pun somehow.
Tom:
Soph, you're right about the location. It's on the eight fingers. And Katie, you're right that it's a pun.
Katie:
Okay.
Sophie:
Oh, here we go. Right, Lizzy, bring it out.
Tom:
You've got through most of my notes in the first couple minutes there.
Lizzy:
Okay, okay.
Sophie:
Finger pun, that isn't finger food, that so... And not to do with like chocolate. Not chocolate fingers. That's, yeah, no.
Katie:
I'm just staring at my eight fingers now to see if I can imagine some foods on them that would make a fun little—
Sophie:
Oh! (snaps)
Katie:
Okay.
Sophie:
Well, a knuckle sandwich. Like something about a knuckle sandwich that, you know—
Lizzy:
A fruit, a fruity, a knuckle fruit salad.
Sophie:
Well, is it fruit? Wait, did we say food or fruit?
Katie:
Yeah, yeah. We've zeroed in on fruits, but it was just generically food, yeah.
Lizzy:
Oh, so it's just food. I think maybe we should all be eating more fruit. Can we change that question?
SFX:
(group giggling)
Tom:
Soph, you've got the pun.
Lizzy:
No!
Tom:
It's knuckle sandwich. So the question is: Two of the items were the same. What were they, and why?
Lizzy:
There's a bloody bread in it!
Tom:
Yes!
Sophie:
Oh, bread on either side, and then...
Lizzy:
(guffaws)
Tom:
Yes.
Katie:
And then lettuce, bacon, tomato, yeah.
Tom:
Yep, lettuce, pickles, cheese. The outer knuckles both have the slices of bread, and the inner knuckles have the components of the knuckle sandwich. Absolutely right.
Katie:
Nice.
Lizzy:
Wow, nice one, Sophie, got it.
Sophie:
It's actually 'cause I'm considering getting that exact same tattoo.
SFX:
(Tom and Lizzy laugh)
Sophie:
So that's why I asked, "Has anyone got any knuckle sandwich tattoos? I'm really wondering how it feels."
Tom:
Katie, your question please.
Katie:
Okay, so the question is: Claire sent a text to her husband, asking him to cook dinner. Why was she disappointed to see he cooked only two sausages? I'll read that again. Claire sent a text to her husband, asking him to cook dinner. Why was she disappointed to see he only cooked two sausages?
Tom:
Weaponised incompetence.
Lizzy:
(wheezes)
Sophie:
Yeah. I'm glad you said that, Tom.
Tom:
He's just a really bad husband.
Lizzy:
Two sausages, cook dinner. Dinner's not like the family pet, is it?
Tom:
Oh my god!
Lizzy:
God, sorry, I just, I dunno why, but—
Tom:
What?
Katie:
It's not that pun, yeah.
Tom:
Follow up question. Why is the family pet two sausages?
Lizzy:
(laughs) I guess— I didn't think it through.
Katie:
It is now— No.
Sophie:
Actually—
Lizzy:
I was just getting in the frame of mind.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Katie:
Yeah.
Sophie:
Okay, Claire sent a text, did you say? Sent a text?
Katie:
Yeah.
Sophie:
Okay. She's sending a text.
Lizzy:
Ooh, you're thinking about a misspelling.
Katie:
So just from the sort of... highbrow 1880s opera question, we're now on sending a text message about sausages, yeah.
Sophie:
My notes, whenever I do Lateral, are always so silly. It's just like, "Send text, two sausages. Cook dinner, Claire."
Tom:
(laughs) Yeah.
Sophie:
They make me—
Katie:
That's all you need. That's all the information.
Tom:
(laughs)
Sophie:
Yeah.
Lizzy:
Who's writing it— I'm not here for homework!
Sophie:
Yeah, mate. Write those notes. Okay, Claire, who... Do we know any well-known Claires? All I can think of is "Clair de Lune".
Lizzy:
Oh, I was thinking of Clare Balding. (laughs) But yeah, fine.
Sophie:
But she's not gonna message her husband, is she? Let's be fair.
Lizzy:
Oh no, she's not.
Tom:
Yeah, fair.
Sophie:
Okay, why is she disappointed to only get two sausages?
I mean, that's just an answer in itself. Two sausages is a meal, is a disappointing result when you've asked for dinner. Is that just the answer?
Katie:
I think potentially, the reason that she's disappointed is because that was not what she intended for him to do.
Tom:
I'm looking at the word 'dinner' and trying to see if there's some autocorrect or misspelling or typo, but—
Lizzy:
I was just thinking of the word 'bangers', and maybe she got— (cracks up)
Tom:
(laughs)
Lizzy:
She sent a saucy text, and then was like, oh, can't wait for—
Tom:
Oh, I'm sorry! What kind of sleazy podcast do you think we're running here, Lizzy?!
Lizzy:
Just, two oranges and a banana is really lodged in my mind, sorry.
Tom:
I'm sure it has!
Lizzy:
(cackles)
Tom:
(grunts)
Sophie:
Right, because— Sure it has. God, sounds like an injury. I think, again, I'm picturing the text saying "cook dinner", but of course, that would've been said in a different way, right?
Tom:
Mhm.
Sophie:
So yeah. I think you're onto something, Lizzy, like, "oh, put the bangers in the pan, eyebrow raise", you know, or...
Lizzy:
Aubergine emoji.
Sophie:
Aubergine emoji. Or like, yeah. What are other things that could be misconstrued for putting sausages?
Tom:
I mean, she could have just texted it with emojis, and he took it literally. She just sent a couple sausage emojis as a, yeah.
Sophie:
(cracks up)
Tom:
I don't even know if there is a sausage emoji. I feel like if there is, the aubergine emoji wouldn't be used nearly as much as it currently is.
Sophie:
There's a hot dog emoji. There is a— I think there's a hot dog emoji.
Tom:
There is, that's true.
Lizzy:
Isn't there a sausage on a fork, or am I just making that up?
Sophie:
Oh.
Katie:
Maybe.
Sophie:
Are we all old? Can we have another—
SFX:
(group laughing)
Lizzy:
I need to have a look, 'cause I think—
Sophie:
Can we get a fact check on the emojis, please?
Tom:
(cackles)
Katie:
If it helps to know, I'm gonna say... either this is something that kind of slightly predated emojis, like it was a pure, classic text message, or that this person didn't use... modern emojis in this text message. But you are very much on the right lines.
Lizzy:
Okay.
Tom:
Okay.
Sophie:
Okay.
Katie:
That there was something added at the end of the message, because it was a coupley, husbandy text message.
Lizzy:
Kiss, kiss, kiss. Other words for sausage— like, links?
Tom:
Oh, no! No, is this... Katie... Could this be described as a maths question? Just slightly?
Katie:
Technically, yeah, yeah.
Sophie:
Oh, so is it about, what, the number of times you have to type to get the different letters or something?
Tom:
No, it's about putting a heart at the end of your message before you had emojis.
Sophie:
Oh, less than three sausages?
Tom:
Yep!
Sophie:
Ohhh! The heart emojis are less-than, then a three.
Lizzy:
Wait, did she sign off heart sausages?
Sophie:
(wheezes)
Tom:
No, she said...
Sophie:
Cook some sausages.
Tom:
"Cook the sausages. <3" meaning a heart.
Sophie:
Ohhh!
Lizzy:
Oh. Very good, Tom.
Katie:
Yep, this is exactly it. So this was a— It was posted on social media as a sort of funny anecdote that they were reminiscing about the time when she sent him a text message on the way home. And the exact wording of the message was, "Can you start cooking those sausages?" followed by a little heart using a less-than and a three. And he cooked two sausages.
Lizzy:
Oh, very clever.
Katie:
I mean...
Lizzy:
Well not clever by him, but yeah.
Tom:
(laughs)
Katie:
It has been separately confirmed that her husband is a programmer, so...
Tom:
Yeah.
Katie:
It's just literally interpreting instructions. And in fact, it's not necessarily the weaponised incompetence thing, because he did exactly...
Tom:
(laughs)
Katie:
with one interpretation of the message, what was asked to him.
Tom:
Weaponised competence.
Katie:
Yes.
SFX:
(guests laughing)
Tom:
Thank you to Steve Crawford for this next question.
Before every show, Jodi does a final run-through of an 'Aresti dance', even though the audience will never see it. Why is this important?
And one more time.
Before every show, Jodi does a final run-through of an 'Aresti dance', even though the audience will never see it. Why is this important?
Lizzy:
An 'arrestee' dance?
Tom:
Mhm.
Lizzy:
Like you're being arrested.
Tom:
(laughs)
Katie:
Is it like the— Is it like a Greek thing? Is it O-R-E-S-T-I?
Tom:
It's A-R-E-S-T-I.
Katie:
Because there's an ancient Greek myth, the Oresti or somehow, something, I can't remember. There's a lot of words going on in my head. But if that's a slightly different thing. But it's like some kind of traditional dance from a place?
Lizzy:
Oh?
Katie:
Maybe.
Lizzy:
Well, it's like, what, to bring you luck in the show?
Sophie:
Yeah, luck was my thought as well.
Katie:
I mean, maybe it's a very specific dance that like is just a thing that you— like, that looks like you're cleaning the windows or something that you do before—
Tom:
I'm not sure what that is, from a very quick bit of research, but it is, it's not Aresti, it's not this.
Lizzy:
Oh?
Sophie:
Yeah, I think I'm thinking same as you, Lizzy, like luck. Or, like a warmup, like, oh, it's like a— helps you warm up physically before going on the stage.
Lizzy:
We've gotta work out what... Wait, what? Who is it? It's not Claire again, is it? It's Jodi.
Sophie:
It's Jodi Balding. It's Claire's sister, Jodi Balding.
Lizzy:
Jodi.
Sophie:
No, my thought was Jodie Comer, but just because she was in this big stage production of this one woman show, and it looked like it was exhausting. So it was like maybe she did something to prepare for it. But again, I feel like it's just like a... maybe an unnamed, like a not known Jodi. Just like a Jodi.
Tom:
This is a specific Jodi, but you almost certainly will not have heard of this Jodi.
Lizzy:
Okay. Jodie Foster then. Not gonna be little Bugsy Malone pre-dance.
SFX:
(Lizzy and Sophie giggle)
Katie:
Okay, so it was before going on the stage?
Tom:
Before every show.
Katie:
Right.
Lizzy:
Oh.
Sophie:
Oh, okay. Before every show. Okay, so show options. TV show, podcast.
Lizzy:
Oh, and does Jodi train animals? (laughs)
Sophie:
Yeah.
Lizzy:
You do. I don't know, a snake charmy dance. It brings it— I don't— this is—
Sophie:
Maybe, no. That's the kind of thing that Lateral would do.
Lizzy:
She charm a snake? She do a little (laughs) dance to bring the snake out?
SFX:
(silence)
Sophie:
That's a no. I think that's sounds—
Lizzy:
That's probably a no, there's no snakes.
SFX:
(Tom and Sophie laugh)
Lizzy:
Okay, fine.
Sophie:
Tom didn't even dignify it with an answer.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Katie:
Yeah, is the Aresti dance an established, known dance that is done
Tom:
Yes.
Katie:
by people in somewhere? So it's...
Tom:
Uhm... mm. Yes. Probably not in the way you're thinking.
Katie:
Okay.
Tom:
She does a final run-through of an Aresti dance.
Lizzy:
A final run-through.
Katie:
So is the dance something that is later in the show? She's just practicing to make sure—
Lizzy:
(shouts) I've had a thought.
Sophie:
Oh my god.
Lizzy:
She's not a magician's assistant, is she? And it's like the dance to get out of a big box or something, like a... (laughs)
Katie:
To avoid all the swords coming in, yeah.
Lizzy:
You do the dance, and it gets you out of the chains. And then you do the dance, and then you appear, so the audience didn't see the dance, but you did the dance. And it's like just practicing my 'appear out of a box' dance.
Tom:
You did get something in there. And that is that the audience won't see her clearly during the real thing.
Lizzy:
Because she's in a box. She's not in a box, but...
Tom:
She's in something. But it's not a box.
Lizzy:
Okay.
Katie:
Is it a cake? Is it a giant cake?
SFX:
(Tom and Lizzy laugh)
Sophie:
Is it a cake?
Katie:
Those are the only two things you put a woman in, right?
SFX:
(others laughing)
Katie:
A box and giant cake.
Tom:
I feel like there are plenty of other places that women can be, but it's not my place to say, you know?
Sophie:
Is she in a position of responsibility?
SFX:
(Katie and Lizzy laugh)
Tom:
Oh. Yeah. She's definitely in a position of responsibility here.
Sophie:
Ooh.
Tom:
Yeah.
Sophie:
Oh my god. Is she in the tech— Wait. 'Cause she's not necessarily on the stage. She could be in the tech booth or like in charge of something like, or in, I don't know, in charge of something that relate to the safety of the people on stage? No, that was—
Lizzy:
What, like a 'stop, drop, and roll' dance?
SFX:
(Lizzy and Sophie chuckle)
Sophie:
I'm picturing her being in water. I'm pitching like a water show. Like, with a whale.
Tom:
Soph, you could be more wrong, but not by much.
Sophie:
That's great. That's really done wonders for my confidence.
Katie:
Some kind of desert-related dance.
Lizzy:
Or a fire dance, you know. But the audience never see it. So maybe she is
Tom:
No.
Lizzy:
underneath the stage or silhouetted.
Tom:
She's not close to the audience at all.
Katie:
Is she off stage? Is she not part of the show?
Tom:
There isn't actually a stage. I dunno where you got stage from. I said before every show.
Lizzy:
So fire, like fire dancing.
Tom:
The audience won't be able to see her clearly. She's too far away.
Katie:
She— up on a pole, like on a podium in the background or...
Lizzy:
She bringing planes in to land, is she?
Tom:
Uhm...
Lizzy:
That's your Aresti dance?
Sophie:
Oh my gosh, is it—
Lizzy:
Arms back and forth, like up and down in semaphore.
Sophie:
Like one of those RAF shows or something?
Lizzy:
Yeah, like you Aresti.
Sophie:
Yeah.
Tom:
Now you're very close. That's not the bringing the planes in to land with the batons thing... but you're very close. When I said you couldn't really be more wrong on the water thing... Yeah, we're talking air here.
Sophie:
Air, okay. Is it like when, okay, so we've got air kinda shows like when the planes have the light— have the coloured smoke coming out the back. There's also when people are sitting on plane wings.
Tom:
Mhm.
Lizzy:
But you'd see her. But this is, she's too far away
Sophie:
If they're on it. But she's helping them with the show.
Tom:
We've established she's in the thing, and the thing is a plane. You're right.
Lizzy:
She's in a plane. She's doing a dance.
Sophie:
So she's doing spins and stuff on a plane?
Tom:
She is, yes. She is an aerobatic pilot. This is Jodi Rutger, aerobatics pilot. This is something that a lot of aerobatics pilots do.
What might the 'Aresti dance' before the show be?
Lizzy:
Your exits are here.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Lizzy:
And here, and here.
Tom:
If you're doing aerobatics with passengers on board.
Lizzy:
(cackles)
Sophie:
(guffaws)
Katie:
That's not usually the pilot either. That's a different member of staff on the plane.
Sophie:
It's the Aresti dance. Well, it could be, 'cause obviously when you do aero-acrobatics, it messes with your— the G-force messes with your body. So it could be something to—
Katie:
Is it like spinning the other way, so that way she does all the loops in the plane, It doesn't mess ahead of—
Lizzy:
Yes!
SFX:
(Sophie and Katie giggle)
Tom:
The dance is more for her mind than her body.
Sophie:
Just like, "You're not gonna die. You're not gonna die."
Tom:
(laughs) Well, I mean, no, she's not. But it helps that sort of thing, not—
Lizzy:
Oh, it sounds a bit Matthew McConaughey and Wolf of Wall Street, like they're doing the... (pounds chest) Like get yourself ready to take off.
Katie:
Yeah.
Tom:
It provides more specific help than that.
Katie:
Is it to remember the order of all the turns and everything in the...
Sophie:
Oh my god.
Katie:
performance? Yeah.
Tom:
Yes. Yes, it is. How might that work? What do you see in your head there?
Katie:
(chuckles) I mean, in my head, it's like a person with their arms out like this, but I imagine it's probably more sophisticated than that.
Tom:
It's actually not that much more sophisticated. Their hands aren't out like wings. They're on the controls in their head.
But an Aresti dance before you get into the plane, one of the last things that aerobatic pilots might do is walk around the field next to it, and in their head plan out with the muscle memory, the turns they're gonna take, where their hands have to go to pull off the aerobatic manoeuvres that are gonna be in the show.
That is called an Aresti dance.
Lizzy:
Oh, that's badass.
Sophie:
Wow, that's really cool.
Lizzy:
Nice one, Jodi.
Tom:
And it's named after Jose Aresti, who was a Spanish aerobatics instructor, and he developed the catalogue of symbols and arrows notation that describe aerobatics manoeuvres, so that aerobatics folks can talk to each other.
Sophie:
And this Jodi is a real person?
Tom:
This is a real person. This is Jodi Rutger, who was picked because that's a name that works in the question.
Katie:
Yeah, I love—
Lizzy:
(laughs)
Katie:
So one of the talks that I do is about different types of notation. And it's primarily about maths and science, but there's also notation for things like juggling and for, you know, for dance moves. There's various different systems that people have developed over the years.
And it's really sad 'cause some of the dance notation has now just been completely superseded by the fact that if you want to tell someone what a dance is, you just show them a video of you doing it. Previously, you'd have to write down like what all the moves were, but there's a really nice notation that says like, where you've gotta do each move, and for how long, and that kind of thing. And it's just all not really used anymore, 'cause people just send video clips instead.
Tom:
Lizzy, whenever you're ready.
Lizzy:
Okay!
So this question has been sent in by Zso.
Why were people seen carrying bags around Vancouver that said, "Into the Weird Adult Video Emporium", "Dr. Toews' Wart Ointment Wholesale", and "The Colon Care Co-op"?
Sophie:
(giggles wincingly)
Lizzy:
Why were people seen carrying bags around Vancouver that said, "Into the Weird Adult Video Emporium", "Dr. Toews' Wart Ointment Wholesale", and "The Colon Care Co-op"?
Tom:
What sort of sleazy podcast...!
Sophie:
Yeah.
SFX:
(group laughing)
Katie:
Yep.
Sophie:
Exactly, yeah, exactly.
Katie:
I was gonna say, if you've got all that written down, Sophie, you first.
Sophie:
I genuinely actually was writing it all down.
Katie:
You made the notes.
Sophie:
Yeah, exactly. Soph's notes are there.
Katie:
I have an idea... but I might see if anyone else has anything before I come out with it.
Tom:
I stopped writing those down, and instead just started writing the first letter. And I've got, "ITWAVE", "DTWOW", and "TCCC". So I don't think it's acronyms.
SFX:
(Sophie and Lizzy chuckle)
Katie:
Yeah.
Tom:
I saw "Weird Adult Video Emporium", and was like, "WAVE! It's acronyms." It's not acronyms.
Sophie:
Yeah. My first thought is something about... It's just about embarrassing people, innit? It's like some, yeah, I don't know. Something why some reason people are getting bags that have embarrassing things on, and it's like... part of the bit of the place you get the bag. I don't know. Katie, what were your thoughts?
Katie:
So the thing I was thinking was, 'cause my mind was like, Vancouver, that's Canada.
Tom:
Yeah, west coast Canada.
Katie:
And people speak French in Canada. So there might be some kind of language thing. And then I was like, what if it's that thing where you buy something with Chinese text on it, and the Chinese text is actually just some nonsense that no one knows what it says, but it looks cool because it's got some Chinese text on it. And it's that. And that somebody started selling these, even though no one knew what they actually said.
Tom:
Actually, now you say that, Vancouver does have a pretty big, I think Chinese and just East Asian in general immigrant population. So, could it be that some wholesaler had brought over a load of bags, and was giving them out, and it was in a different language? And it was just, this is, "Hey, yeah, here's a cheap bag"?
Lizzy:
So far... Soph, you are the closest. They are made to be embarrassing.
Sophie:
Okay.
Tom:
Oh, okay.
Sophie:
Okay, so...
Tom:
In my head, these are tote bags, but I've just realised they could be backpacks or... handbags or just regular old shopping bags?
Lizzy:
Yes, they are one of those, correct.
SFX:
(guessers laughing)
Katie:
I wonder if there's like somewhere's just decided that this is the bags they're going to sell their products in, and that people are carrying them 'round, but they don't mind it being embarrassing, because the thing that they've bought is really cool.
Lizzy:
Well, I can tell you the shop, if you'd like to know the shop.
Sophie:
Do you think we'll get there?
SFX:
(Sophie and Tom laugh)
Lizzy:
You're not gonna know the shop. If you don't know Jodi, you're not gonna know this shop.
Sophie:
Okay, okay. Is it Jodi's shop?
SFX:
(guests laughing)
Lizzy:
It's, yeah. East West Mart is the shop.
Tom:
East West Mart. Well, that puts me back on like languages.
Katie:
Mm.
Sophie:
I am trying to think about the culture of a place that, yeah, it's like if you buy... I dunno, 'cause some people, I dunno, buy into that, no pun intended. It's like, oh, you get— this place is like, really— it's— well, it's like if you're in the know, if you've got one of those cringe bags, you're in the know that you've got something from East West Mart. If it's that kind of being on the in-joke, if you've got the bag, kind of thing. Or maybe you get the bag to prove— you have— it's proving something like if you're willing to be embarrassed about, yeah, I don't know. Something like that.
Tom:
What if it's the opposite of like just giving out the bags to the English speakers? Like you said French, Katie. Like Vancouver, like technically, that part of Canada is bilingual, but in practice, you won't see much French outside of the government buildings. That's fully English. So, could it be that it's designed to embarrass the people who don't speak French? Like you get this bag that is actually in French or some other language, and it's like, "Oh yeah, I dunno what that means. I'll carry that around."
And all the French speakers, the few French speakers in Vancouver, are laughing at you.
Lizzy:
So... you are like 50% there. In that they're made to be embarrassing.
Sophie:
I've got an idea. You know, instead of charging people for plastic bags to stop people from using plastic bags...
Tom:
(laughs)
Sophie:
Is it to stop— Is it having something really embarrassing on it, so that people won't— will bring their own bags?
Lizzy:
Bingo.
Sophie:
Yes!
Tom:
Oh, well done!
Katie:
Nice.
Lizzy:
Ve...ry... good.
Sophie:
Sorry, that was such genuine joy that came out then. Okay.
Tom:
(laughs)
Lizzy:
So there is shame. It's to shame people for not bringing reusable plastic bags. So you still had to purchase them for a small fee, and it was part of a campaign, but in the way that—
Tom:
You still have to buy them?
Lizzy:
You still have to buy them, and they say some really embarrassing stuff on about your colon. And even... the thing that happened though, so you were right, is it actually became kind of cool.
Tom:
(laughs heartily)
Lizzy:
So people were like, "Oh, I want me one of those Dr. Toews' Wart Ointment ones". And people try and collect them.
Sophie:
Collect them all, yeah.
Lizzy:
And now they're even in the V&A, some of these bags, so...
Sophie:
Wow!
Lizzy:
They made them all totes eventually, but they were originally OG carrier bags.
Tom:
So one last order of business, which is the question from the start of the show.
Which mountain is situated such that all four faces point to the southeast?
Anyone want to take a quick punt at that?
Katie:
Something at the North Pole?
Tom:
First note: It's not one of the Earth's poles.
Katie:
Yeah, I was is like, 'cause if they all face south, that would be right.
Tom:
It would.
Katie:
But southeast doesn't work for that.
Tom:
Yep.
Lizzy:
It's not stairs shaped, is it?
SFX:
(pause)
Lizzy:
(laughs) This isn't like—
Tom:
Why do you say that?
Lizzy:
If you take some stairs...
Tom:
Yep.
Lizzy:
Turn them on their side. And then you've got loads of sides pointed in the same direction.
Tom:
Yeah.
Lizzy:
You know what I'm thinking about?
Tom:
Yeah, you have the faces of various stairs. Not for this one, I'm afraid.
Lizzy:
Doesn't look like stairs? Well, I'm out. What else? (chuckles)
Sophie:
Oh yeah. My thought is it isn't a mountain mountain as we know it. It's like a fake mountain. I dunno, something else that's called a mountain, but it's not actually a mountain.
Katie:
Oh, like a cardboard cutout of a mountain.
Lizzy:
(laughs uproariously)
Sophie:
Of a mountain, exactly. That faces southeast. Exactly. I think we've got it.
Katie:
Yeah, it's that.
Lizzy:
Southeast in all directions.
Tom:
You can see all four faces at once.
Lizzy:
Oh my gosh. Always points... You can see all of its sides. 'Cause of a mirror? Is it near a mirror? A big mirror?
Sophie:
(giggles faintly)
Tom:
You are gonna kick yourself. You're gonna hate whoever wrote this question as well.
Katie:
Oh no.
Sophie:
No, wait, wait, wait. Okay, wait.
Tom:
It's world famous. You do all know this mountain.
Katie:
Was Southeast the name of a dog?
SFX:
(Tom and Lizzy cackle)
Sophie:
Oh yeah, yeah.
SFX:
(Sophie and Katie chuckle)
Lizzy:
All faces point south. There's a mountain.
Tom:
It's a mountain with four faces.
Katie:
Oh, is it bloody—
Lizzy:
Oh, Rushmore.
Tom:
(laughs) Yes, it is!
SFX:
(guests jeering)
Lizzy:
There we go!
Sophie:
Fuh-gaw-fawl.
Lizzy:
You're doing a little trickster. Little tricky.
Tom:
It's Mount Rushmore, which has the faces of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln.
Sophie:
And they're all dead to me now.
SFX:
(Tom and Lizzy laugh)
Tom:
Thank you very much to all our players.
Where can people find you? What's going on in your lives?
We will start with Soph.
Sophie:
If you wanna find things that I've done in the past, it's on Soph's Notes, and I might post more things there sometime. Soph's Notes, that's me.
Tom:
Katie!
Katie:
If you search for my name, Katie Steckles, you'll find all my stuff, including the podcast that we've just done another series of, called Mathematical Objects, where we chat about fun maths things, and all kinds of other stuff that I do.
Tom:
And Lizzy.
Lizzy:
Murder, She Didn't Write is on tour. We are committing terrible crimes around the UK. Come and see us. And we are on social medias at @MurderSheDidnt.
Tom:
And if you wanna know more about this show, you can do that at lateralcast.com, where you can also send in your own ideas for questions. We are at @lateralcast basically everywhere, and there are free full video episodes every week on Spotify.
And I'm saying that faster every single time. Thank you very much to Lizzy Skrzypiec.
Sophie:
Hello! Thank you very much for having me!
Tom:
Katie Steckles.
Sophie:
Thank you very much.
Tom:
Sophie Ward.
Sophie:
Woo, 180! Done, yeah!
Tom:
(laughs)
I've been Tom Scott, and that's been Lateral.
Episode Credits
| HOST | Tom Scott |
| QUESTION PRODUCER | David Bodycombe |
| EDITED BY | Julie Hassett at The Podcast Studios, Dublin |
| MUSIC | Karl-Ola Kjellholm ('Private Detective'/'Agrumes', courtesy of epidemicsound.com) |
| ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS | Zso, Chris Bainbridge, Ghostbear, Katie Waning, Steve Crawford |
| FORMAT | Pad 26 Limited/Labyrinth Games Ltd |
| EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS | David Bodycombe and Tom Scott |